- http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=archive&daysum=2005-04-27

How would you comment on the "performance" by FM Pandey?

He looked very protective and bitter, kinda reminded of Govinda Raj Joshi when a similiar video was recorded about the Maoist insurgency several years back. His comment at the time was that "Maoists are nothing, they are scaring people with fireworks"

FM PANDE is nothing but oportunist MF.

gagan thapa..there was one another guy in history..hhmm..like his guts ..for whatever reasons..at least he has some principals that he follows and leads others by unlike girija..but there's way too much to handle than these folks can..insurgency inequality, corruption, security and freedom...probably need people double the size of army triple that of maoists....

well goodluck to GT..

He is talking about French wine and stuffs..but wearing Yankee trucker hat !! :)

I dont mind whatever they do ..but just thought it was hypocritical..anyway, good documentary...Its hard to recognize good people from nepali politics.

A Yankee T-shirt in Nepal costs $3 to $5 and is a commoner's clothes. A King who wants to get to know the Nepali commoner, drinks the wine brought to him by the Army helicopter which is paid by the Nepali tax-payers. Unless you like to lick the royals no matter where they have been, yours is a stupid argument.

Casey00, So what if he wears a Yankee hat, don't u see every other branded names in ktm from big shops to footpath. Just wearing a daura suruwal and topi doesn't make u a good politician. Anyways, he was saying that french wine and stuff arguing the fact of Raja's hypocracy. That was a really dim-witted comment.

ubi and kisr:

Calm down fellas. I know your blood boils easily but DO read my second LINE if you haven't. I said, I dont mind whatever they do. I just found it hypocritical and thats IT. I am sure I have entitled to my comment, or am I not???

I am not rooting for royal side or supporting Gagan and his heroics..matter of fact coming to online forum and yapping about this and that...and throwing expert comments is nothing but BS..its a trend in Sajha, propoganda... Usually, its some bitter individuals who can't do nothing in real life and come to Sajha and create contoversies...if you have ask me...I think all the political activities in educational insitutition should be removed to some degree..in how mnay developed countries do you see...YUVA NETA creating stir....I mean those YUVA netas are freaking funded by bigger fishes to ruin the process of education....they dont deserve to be there..anyway, who I am? thats my 2 cents..no hard feelings fellas...but wish some of could be lil stingy with rude comments....


I would rather live through dictatorship than live ina country where...every one is goign their own way..

I know it was just ya comment but it was a stupid one though cause we ain't getting how it is hypocritical to wear a yankee hat while saying those things about. Anyways, i am not saying you are rooting for Raja's side but your comment about rather being under the dictatorship than democracy was kind of bizzare coming from a person who is living outside the country. Anyways, u have a right for your views.. and u said "I am sure I have entitled to my comment, or am I not???" and this statement is false when u are under the dictatorship. Think about it.

ubi:

I am stupid because YOU dint get my comment. hmm..I was just implying how we bring out so many excuses...as for me If I was public figure , I would definitely endorse Nepali PAn..but again people might not agree with me

PLaying with words brings out different meaning Ubi. Ofcourse, living under a dictatorship would take away my right to express myself but whats the point of expressing yourself when everyone is talking...thats what happening to nepal..too many chiefs not enough Indians...

all I got to say is F**k Gyane Chor and his Parase.

While Gagan Thapa has shown a lot of courage and love of democracy, I find many of the things in his views that contradicts his own idealogies.

I am surprised, while many of you extolled his love for democracy, I wonder why none of you commented on his "10 jana le harek din phone garnu campus chief lai, psychologically torture garnu. Ta beluki yo bato hischas ta sanga 7 baje bhetula". Whoa!! a big slap to democracy, ain't it?. I do not find any difference between him and King. Both of them are trying to impose their political views on other. So, according to him the fault of campus chief is that he supports King. And according to King,people like Gagan Thapa does not support monachy. But both of them promise to restore democracy. I see the means of attaining democracy failing in both their ways. If Gagan Thapa's tactics to reach democracy is threating and mental torture who doesnot share his political views and the people who follow him share and adopt this vision, I have to say he is not a political activist, they are not political activist.

It was humorous when he replied, "I told Girija, I am disappointed in you." Repeating his own comment, multiparty system was restoredin 1990, and since then the government doesnot have any agenda and stuff. And he waited till this time to tell his leader that he was disappointed with the leadership. And it came only when Girija told,"I am disppointed with YOU."

I could not make sense of when he said, " In the age when we do not like God's slavery,...." He is naming faith as slavery, I do not agree.

I do not doubt the fact that he has leadership quality. According to the report, it seems he has been able to influence many people. And it is obvious, he is very eloquent(one thing that the government spokesperson lacked a big time). However, let me remind you a good leader needs a true and good visions apart from being influential.

One thing yet more curios about the report. i wonder where did Kundan Dixit got his statistics that most of the army is being used to suppress political activities or how he came to that conclusion. I have no knowledge about this, but there is no reason to believe him as well.

Lastly, I think Gagan Thapa needs some interactive political science classes to refine his amateur jump in this field so that his mind and heart get some moral sense of right and wrong.

To yatri____
The comment abt. the campus chief had indeed pricked me and I had expected some pro-monarchists picking up that flaw and making a case against him. Thankfully, a democratic commentator (apparently though) came up with the criticism which demonstrates that wrong doers can be villified by democratic principles and not by dictatorial ideas.
Now Yatriji, his idea although undemocratic is just a pressure tactic to scare the campus chief in order to ease their activities at the campus. He has not instructed to attack him, just to scare him so that he would not report their activities to the security forces.

They are not allowed to voice their concerns at campus, at streets, at public places and even not allowed to stay at their homes. So what else do you expect? Doing politics, launching mass protests and demonstrations are totally different things to what your political science books teach. It's easy to comment but when you have to lead people for a revolution against dictatorship, you should be bold enough to scare those who oppose yourself. Do you think King Gyanendra will give up his dictatorial ambition when Gagan starts citing the lines of your political science book? You got to be pragmatic or else lets see what a political science student can do.

I knew Gagan as a TC student however I never voted in any Student Union election. I totally oppose politics at educational institutions. He did abused his influence while admitting students( only those who didn't pass the entrance, there was no problem for capable students however-but every campus SU did so) but he also helped building infrastructures, labs, classes and garden in TC. That must be counted. Apart from that, he has some leadership traits which his senior or contemporary leaders lack. He is bold and charismatic. Now without hundreds of Gagan Thapas it will be difficult to stop the King from sprinting to dictatorship. Poor Gagan, he got arrested. Hopefully they won't physically torture him, mentally this guy is very strong to be tortured from the idiots.

Students are pivotal to any political change and without students being involved there is no chance of retaining democracy in Nepal. I hope all the students wings, even the Maoists' join hand with each other to bring Gyanendra wthin a truly constitutional framework or else overthrow him. They should not listent to the stupid party leaders now. Instead of throwing stones and setting fire at public vehicles and buildings, I would advise them first to pull their corrupt leaders out of their home and shame them in public.

hey Gagan and his followers in Nepal, why don't you first pull out Khum Bahadur and Govinda Raj Joshi from their hideouts? If you start from them, thousands of students will join your revolution and KG can be pulled out from his palace or he will flee away from behind.
La ta, if Gagan's friend or relative reads my comment, relay this to him. And yeh don't forget that I am behind you no matter if you had some flaws in the past. Testa ek dui flaws kasko hunna?

It was really nice reading your comment and analysis newuser without any swear words, a trend I wish ppl in sajha followed.

Would you please reply to the following statement I am making. I bet your way of responding, even looking at the arguments I presented would have been different, had I even slightly shown my support for the Feb 1 move.

Now that request being made, lets move on with the healthy discussion.

Do you seriously believe psychological torture is not as traumatizing as much as physical attacks and so should be pardoned? And about ur comment, "although undemocratic"---wait a second, I thought they were all fighting for the undemocratic way the King has seized power to bring democracy. If they take up the tactics they believe and know are evil, it makes them worse than the King. "Gyani le gare danda dinu, mukha le gare maf garnu". Why do you want the campus chief to be in the position the taxi driver described. Either way they suffer.

-------------" It's easy to comment but when you have to lead people for a revolution against dictatorship, you should be bold enough to scare those who oppose yourself."

If you really believe in what you just said, I think you are a serious King supporter and admirer no matter how you think you hate him.

" Do you think King Gyanendra will give up his dictatorial ambition when Gagan starts citing the lines of your political science book? You got to be pragmatic or else lets see what a political science student can do."

------Well I never made prediction about what King will do. All I said was Gagan has potential he just need to get some moral rights and wrongs in his activities and thoughts. Why would I want to trade one tyrant for another? And probably for a worse one who pretends to be democratic?



I do not know why you extolling him so much? And where are you getting his resume from about what he did?

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Students are pivotal to any political change and without students being involved there is no chance of retaining democracy in Nepal. I hope all the students wings, even the Maoists' join hand with each other to bring Gyanendra wthin a truly constitutional framework or else overthrow him. They should not listent to the stupid party leaders now. Instead of throwing stones and setting fire at public vehicles and buildings, I would advise them first to pull their corrupt leaders out of their home and shame them in public.
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---------No. Its people not students who are pivotal to any political change. I would plead, "Keep any and all form of political activity out of my school and my education. You are tampering with my rights to education by bringing in politics near my learning center. I wish I could sue all those political activist as human right violaters."


hey Gagan and his followers in Nepal, why don't you first pull out Khum Bahadur and Govinda Raj Joshi from their hideouts? If you start from them, thousands of students will join your revolution and KG can be pulled out from his palace or he will flee away from behind.


---------------- If pulling out couple of corrupt politicians can influence people decision to rally in the streets. Newuser, Be Horrified!! Imagine how many students will follow the King because he is pulling out the corrupt politicians as well(even though could for his own benefits).

La ta, if Gagan's friend or relative reads my comment, relay this to him. And yeh don't forget that I am behind you no matter if you had some flaws in the past. Testa ek dui flaws kasko hunna?

--------ek dui flaw matrai haina tannai flaws haru huncha ni manche ma. Tara tyo correctable flaw ho ki incorrectable flaw ho bhanne matrai kura ho. The person who uses such inhumane tactics of getting people to submit to his ideas has potentials that he will use similar tactics, probably in larger scale, to maintain his position(could be idealogies, or power) if he ever gets one.

I feel really sorry for Gagan Thapa that we are making him a background context of our discussion. Probably we should just have a political model with person A imitating all the stuff Gagan did to make it a bit impersonal and to clear our judgements from being clouded.

Yatri, thanks for your response. However, the execution of politics in Nepal and third world countries basically depends on the power of the political players; in a very different way from ideal democracy.Thats why the king who heads the Royal Nepal army can sack a democratically elected government, change them at will and defines constitutional provisions according to his necessity.
Before criticizing Gagan for his undemocratic opinions against the campus chief, why couldn't you criticize the King who has taken more than a thousand people(who are non-maoists) in detention without charges in these three months? Why can't you advocate for Gagan's freedom of speech in favour of republicanism? Cannot communist express their view in the US or cannot people speak about republicanism in the UK? Certainly they can. So, why does the King put Narahari Acharya and Gagan Thapa behind the bars when they opine that republicanism should be discussed in their party. The king is venting his anger against the republican idealogues rather than trying to quell the maoists violence, which is totally in breach of democratic norms.
I don't disagree with your theoritical approach however. But pragmatism taken into account, I don't see any wrong with Gagan's group taking a threatening approach against the campus chief who is acting in favour of the despotic King ,as long as it is not violent.It's politics of trick very necessary in the current situation.
I am also not in favour of students taking part in politics. But in a country like Nepal, students account the majority of conscious population. SO students must involve but in a rather constructive way in politics. Without students being vigilent, Nepal's politics cannot lead to the right way.
For the time being, let me tell you that little bit of maturity added with time, Gagan will be a good leader. Much better than KG, who could not even teach a proper lesson of politics to the failed leaders when he had every oppurtunity and power to demonstrate his statesmanship. Now he has been forced to lift the emergency, do you think Gagan and others should be freed and they should be allowed to speak their political mind? What does your political science books tell? Or your books exempt the monarch from democratic responsibility?

this is the first time that i have posted anythings on sajha, though i Used to see the conversation quiet often. Wonder why u guys are arguing about Gagan thapa. I know he is charismatic and courageous but do believe on one thing he is one step ahead than his fellow corroupt brother who just influnced neplese people by talking. I know this Gagan from Tc and also know that he if get a chance could be worse than both kind and his ideal Giraja. Stupid MF Nepal is getting worse because of this stupid MF students leader.
We need to shot people like Gagan Thapa who in educational institute play dirty games. People like Gagan thapa urged fellow students to do " thodfod", Whatever one's want to say. Lastly He is also one of the Mf who need to be hung

This is the first time in this thread that a hatemonger has commented in favour of capital punishment. Are you a trainee at Al-Zarqawi camp or an expert in Shariya law ?

sathi ko jay hoss. Tapai ko mahabani le mero buddhi ma lageko birko khulyo yar.

:)

ok, i am not going to talk about Gagan since there has been plenty of discussion.

i want to point out another aspect of the news report. Girija was shown, with his usual posse and ranak-dhanak. he said something like, "nepali congress was established with the notion of supporting constitutional monarchy and so it will be that way." what i took from that comment are two things:

1. that this guy is a dictator inside NC. what he says is the rule and law and strategy of the party, regardless of what other people may think.
2. that all they are trying to do is sell past to us. hell, NC was established when? a long time ago. things have changed. the world is in a very different place now. why stick to the same old things?

btw, i am not against the idea of constitutional monarchy. nor am i congress that congress supports the idea. i am upset only because the way girija put it, it seemed like what NC was when it was established, it will always be. no revision, no reassessment, just blind following of history. his explanation was basically, it has always been that way so it will be that way. i mean, don't they care about updating themselves? even if they support constitutional monarchy, they should have come up with a better reason for it, i think.

beleive me anybody over 40's should be put into old homes..locked up for good..useless mofos..never did anything good in their young age now why the hell do they want respect..to hell with dead mummies out there

beleive me anybody over 40's should be put into old homes..locked up for good..useless mofos..never did anything good in their young age now why the hell do they want respect..to hell with dead mummies out there...just because a father(bp/mahendra) is a police doesn't mean that has anything to do with the son being a chor (girija/kg)....