People in Nepal are finally starting to feel the sense of security, hope of ending the war, breathe corruption free air and Nepalese in America are protesting this. I finally feel comfortable to send my kids to their school because there are security people around their school so that our kids can feel safer and concentrate on their studies with out any fear. Finally we have more working days and less Nepal bandh, lot less protest rallies unlike in the past when there used to be rallies every single day by some group against every government we have ever had. RNA is risking their lives and finally, starting to take controller over the towns and villages which moist previously had been dictating and killing everyone if they didn?t like their face. Nepalese people in Nepal finally getting back the hope they had lost, that some day we could be moist free, a safe country to live in.

People! These are good signs. This makes our country more democratic and you people are protesting against it. I live in Nepal and I am not as highly educated as most of you who live in America. It is a shame that you are protesting against the better things that are happening in my country. How could you be so ruthless? How could you be so blind? You all are living a better life there, why are you all trying to be smart a55. We are the one we have to put up with all the things. Why are you trying to take away our security, our happiness? If tomorrow with your effort Girija, or sher bahadur, or Madhav comes back to the power, our life is going back to the same ciaos again. They are not brave enough to go head to head with our nation?s enemy. They are not loyal enough to fulfill our dreams. Pease don?t get me wrong, I love democracy but I just don?t believe in our democratic leaders. I dream every day that someday we would be land of peace again. Please don?t shatter 22 million people?s dreams. If you can?t help please don?t hurt either.

Sarojji,

1. " All you supporters of democracy are not wrong in your cause but only fail to be practical about it. Democracy is just not practical in Nepal. It's not going to happen. Nepali society is not democratizable at this time. They are not educated enough to know what democracy means."

- I think going for democracy is the most practical solution to all, ALL, of Nepal's problems. Democracy is not practical re? why? Nepali society is not domocratizable at this time? kina? ok, i will give you an example. When a kid is born, the kid does not know how to walk. But let it do its thing and it will learn to walk, first on four and then upright. Carry the kid around all the time, it will never learn how to walk. I think it is time, in fact, it is very very late that we let Nepali people walk, and stop the all powerful parent from grabbing them and telling them to this and not to do that. Let the Nepali walk.

2. " Lot of politicians don't give an "N" about Nepal they are all submerged in their own selfish needs. "

- Please, don't blame only the politicians. In fact, I don't even blame Gyan too much for what he has done cause he is just another politician. I don't see how he is any different from all the others you speak of. Oh wait, I guess the difference was I would have elected them and could have defeated them if I wanted to. And yes, I am tired (hence the name) of letting the politicians rape me. Ok, so I am speaking up. And it does not matter if I am not in Nepal right now. I am no-one if there is no Nepal. I carry Nepal in my heart, and I am dying because Nepal is bleeding. I care and so I speak. If it did not matter to me, why would I bother?

3. " If your so called democracy come, who's going to be the rulers?"
- I will be the ruler. Me - the Nepali. Me - the people.

4. "If your so called democracy comes in Nepal ... Are you sure it's going to make Nepal better than it is now?"
- Absolutely.

5. " For me human lives are more important and I choose an option where less people have to die. I don't have a double standard like you..."
- Uhhh, double standards? How many Nepali people have died since the Gyan Procamation? And don't you dare discount the Maobaadi from that figure. Or the true count of the casualties suffered by the security forces. Or the people caught in crossfire. How many Nepali?

6. And well sorry this is a personal attack on what you have said but,
" I am not a fan of politics..." and
" I am not in favor of plunging the country into darkness for 100's of years hoping that there is going to be sunlight after that...I'm not ready for people of nepal to suffer for another 500 years..."
just don't match up. If you are not a fan of politics, you do not know what Gyan or Democracy or other developments are going to do to Nepal and Nepali.


Any comments?

I am not a politician. I'm just another ordinary Nepal who is concerned about any political upheaval in Nepal whose economical and social condition is already down the drain. I am concerned for the regular hard working Nepali who works every day to put some food on the table for his wife and kids. Nepalis have gone through too many strikes and Nepal bands created by the power hungry politicans who are nothing else but dogs trying to fight over a piece of meat.

I am concerned about their right to live a relatively peaceful life instead of constantly being victimized by the dog eat dog politics that democracy is likely to bring in our country as we have seen over the past decade.

I have serious problems with people safely living outside of Nepal inciting a civil war that could possibly last for hundreds of years, and probably could cost millions of lives. I realize that even under King G's rule, there will be few innocents killed or done unjustice to. Buit this number will be a far less cry than a civil war that you proponents of democracy (while being safely protected by the US constitution), are out to create.

How can you live outside of Nepal and try to create a civil war in Nepal just to satisfy your own egoistic zeal for the so called democracy. Only if you're living in Nepal and fighting for democracy then your zeal is justified.

How many of you hard core proponents of democracy like newuser, hushpuppy, tired, kokoholo are even ready to fight your war from a distance using your real name? At least Nepe and Poonte have the guts to use thier real names unlike you cowards who are wiling to plung the country into bloodshed hiding under anonymity and a US lifestyle. I salute your love for your country and countrymen.

I did not incite the civil war. Nor am I promoting it. And I am not going to create something that is already existent. I am not protected by the US constitution. I am not in Nepal but what I am doing is with Nepal in my heart. I am doing what I am doing with only one thing in my mind - Nepal. Actually, that would be Nepali. Please do not tell me I am any less a Nepali because I am not in Nepal.

User Name wrote:

"Lot of you people raised a question about how only kathmandu and few other towns have good security and rest of the Nepal..all those villages don't. But how can a government provide a security when it is not even under control of the government. Maoists are the gods in those villages. Our previous governments didn't do enough to stop the Maoist from taking over the 1/3 of the country. How can govt provide freaking security there? I am a witness and all the places where government has control over have become much safer place to live in. Nepalese people have finally started paying taxes. Government offices actually operates from 9 to 5pm. They get their job faster and have become so efficient. I was surprised how a work that normally used to take weeks to process at foreign ministry in the past took me a day. And You guys want to protest that just because y'all personally don't like G, then I don't blame him for stopping people like you from flying abroad.
And top of all that, we are the one who have to put up with all this. You people don't even f**king live here. And we over here have no problem compromising and sacrificing little bit of our freedom for a little while if that makes our country better place, how does that bother you? Nepali living in Nepal doesn?t want you suckers to play with our future based on your personal beliefs. One of the causes for Nepal being where it is, is people like you who brought wrong person in a wrong position and when things went wrong you people just left never to comeback. Now we are the one who has to suffer every day of our lives. THings are little better now..and we feel little more safer to live here..and now you suckers want to f**k that up again from there.... You might think you are trying to do good for the country and people..but the fact is, you all are still being played by your netas all the way from Nepal. FOOLS"

AMEN!

For those who are planning to join the rally,

Your presence in that rally would mean, you are still controlled by Nepali congress, since this rally is organized by those Nepali congress people living in US. Your presence is going to hurt lot of Nepalese people like me who are seeking peace in our country. I work really hard to feed my kids and wife, if things changed, me and millions of Nepalese in Nepal would have to go back to the suffering where we are going to loose the security we have now. I don't want to argue with any fools who are trying to destroy the little we have left , but just think twice before you support and participate anything. Understand that many innocent people in Nepal are finally being able to breathe a safer air, please don?t let this opportunist fu*k this. If you love Nepal and Nepalese or if you ever did love Nepal or Nepalese for a sec, please don't let us suffer from another mistake. We have made enough mistakes on our way. This is about time to stop and think what is good for your motherland which is your identity even if you deny it. I hate Gyne but he is the only one we have got left. Don't you think it is better to have one gyne than 50 if them? Ball is on your court, just think as a Nepali not as congress, or panchhe, democrat or Maoist. Just think as a Nepali...nothing but a Nepali and decide what is good for your mother land where you were born.

Lately, it has dawned on me that arguing with these one-track 'I-know-it-all' fanatics is a sheer waste of time and energy. These people must have been living abroad for yonks -- they are completely out of touch with the ground realities in Nepal. These people have no idea how difficult life is back home. I challange all the democracy activists to come and live in Nepal permanently. I DARE YOU! I DARE YOU! I DARE YOU! If you are true to your words I know you will take up my challange -- if you don't you are a pathetic coward. I would be really interested to see if these democracy activists would still be rooting for democracy.

At the end of the day, it's us -- the people living in Nepal -- who will be directly affected by the events that take place in Nepal.

what in the hell is this freaking democracy................ atleast in the context of freaking nepal.........

thulo party ko neta ra karyakarta le je bhayo tei huney, jati bhaneyo teti paisa pauney...tei ho democracy. congress ley sarkar chalauda leftist ley wall painting dhunga hannu pauney tei ho democracy.....

rather be in a dictatorship where one is safe and has enough right to speak ie as it is now in nepal than be cheated by the people you chooose yourself in a democracy. its not completely safe in nepal i know that but will it be if a congresss or a uml will be in the ruling governement....................

by the way i heard if u r out of status or staying in the US illegally you are asking for straight deportation when u participates in such rallies. because from what i know, there are going to be people for the feb 1st move and against during and around the rally site, and there might be some kind of confrontation between the two groups. if that happens and if law enforcement has to intervene, it will definitely jeopardize those who are illegally staying in the states if they are taken into custody. i know a lot of folks in the east coast fall under this category, so i'd be a little cautious if i were them.

anyways, thats my 2 cents of SYOA (save your own ass)

Lets support the king-

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Lets praise the Maharaj

Lets praise our future Maharaj

Dear Poonte,

I have some questions for you.

1. Serious (in terms of intensity by which they thrive) and protracted violent movements?like the Nepali Maoist conflict?take years, if not decades, to ferment. The root of Maoist problem in Nepal is the culture of inequality and suppression based on hierarchical system that was started by the Rana oligarchy and further perpetuated (at the most) and promoted (at the least) by the Panchayat autocracy.

- This is oversimplifying the problem. I think what you wrote is definately a FACTOR. You cannot just rule out other possibilities when talking/writing about the Maoists. Is this a wholly domestic problem or is there any international component to it? Whose interests are served by creating political turmoils in Nepal? If it was a product of hierarchical caste system, how would you explain that the majority of influential maoists are from the privileged caste ? Is it a problem of caste or CLASS?

2. Despite many failures of successive democratic governments of the post-Panchayat era, one area that Nepal made remarkable progress under democracy?albeit weak?was in empowerment of the people who were ignored, suppressed, and deprived of rights, privileges and opportunities, particularly those from the rural areas, who were/are the vast majority of Nepali population. In the long run, what really matters?and what really holds true solutions to social ills (corruption being one of them)?is the real and genuine power to the people.

How do you know or what makes you say that the people were empowered? Is there any way to measure the degree of empowerment? Do you mean to say the people became more politically aware? I don't think this happened. For example, D.B Lama was elected unopposed from Rasuwa. How do you explain this? Do you think without education and money to bridge the gaps in our society, people would really be able to empower themselves or become politicallya ctive and or aware?


3. Despite some serious difficulties, this trend need not be halted, not even for a moment. KingG and his coterie of vision-deprived, obviously-not-fit-for-modern-times crooks, after extended efforts to undermine the democratic governments, have done just that.

It is too early to judge the King and his group, don't you think so? Maybe the majority or a significant majority in Nepal does trust the King to bring the nation back in track. Sometimes its very hard to assess things from abroad because we both are cut off from the ground realities. I am not in Nepal either, so I don't know what the people really think/want and expect, but I think when making adjectives- laden-broad statements/claims, one has to know really well what the situation really is and what the people for whom we both are arguing, really want.


4. Democracy, not autocracy, ensures greater awareness among the people and empowers them. Empowered people create better political alternatives. Better political alternatives, in turn, obviously guarantees better results for the people. This is the way it works. And this is the way it should be.

In a divided country empowerement without economic development only creates more divisions and ethnic strifes. What do you think happened in Rwanda? Why the Arusha agreement failed? It failed because there were 10 parties asking for 10 different things. Our political leaders whether they be first generation or third generation, have proved it more than enough to the people that neither they nor the organizations they represent have any vision for Nepal or the people. This is why, I would rather force the political parties to change their organziational structure NOW and have all the old generation people go to Kashi or haridwar or hell, depending on their individual preferecnes.

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Do you agree that the nation is at war? If you agree that the nation is at war, then you ahve to agree that war time rules are different than peace time rules.

and here's my final question to you:

If you are appointed the PM of Nepal today, what is your solution? Be specific.

[ How will you empower the people? We don't expect you to change Nepal overnight but what specific work plan or blueprint you have to implement your ideas so that Nepal starts the process of true democratization? How will you solve the maoist problem? What is it that you will do so that everyone in Nepal feels safe and satisfied? How will you adress the problem of poverty which is the root cause of all of Nepal's problems? How will you deal with a difficult neighbor to your south? ]

Hushhappy jyu,

" answer 1. For russia it took over 1000 years and it was worth it. For France couple of 100s after mary antonnaite resembled our 'inoccent viper' himani. India 500, cuba som decades: in the end it was worth it.For nepal, a full democracy to bloom would take as much time it should: anywhere from 40-60 with the help of rest of the world.


Russia, for 70 years was not a democarcy. It was a communist totalitarian state from 1917-1991. And tdoay's Russia is not a liberal democratic state either. The President has more power than the Parliament, Duma. Putin is basically running a one man show.

The problem is not with the political system for the most part. The problems start with the economy. You have a good economy, people don't care about true, real democracy. Its only when the people are poor and starving, they start to look for others to blame for their misery. This is when all the problems start. Otherwise, how would you explain that England still has a King?

-40-60 years spent on consolidating democarcy would make us go 100 years backwards. So 40- 60 eyars under a strong visionary leader (whether it be King or somebody else) rather than democarcy is the only way to democratize Nepal in 40-60 years.

I think what you wrote is definately a FACTOR but there are many other factors too perhaps more important than caste/ethnic issue.

-40-60 years spent on consolidating democarcy would make us go 100 years backwards. So 40- 60 eyars under a strong visionary leader (whether it be King or somebody else) rather than democarcy is the only way to democratize Nepal in 40-60 years.

Lee's Singapore, Pinochet's Chile, Shyngman Rhee's Korea, Chinag Kai-shek's Taiwan and Mahathir's Malaysia.

Ok a message for Poonte:

We have been discussing these questions for a long time now. So you are free not to answer or comment on those. However, I would really like to read your answer to my last question: What would you do if you were the PM of Nepal?

la will be checking sajha to read your reply. take your time, no rush (* I am finishing the semester too :-).

hi freak.here's your answers to poonte's and mine questions:

1. Factors are catalyst, oligarcgy, ethnicism or caste are the major catalyst, the MOTHER OF ALL PROBLEMS ABD BACKWARDNESS YOU TALK ABOUT.
For further illustration:
a. How come his right hand - the Army includes - ALLL HIS COUSINS and those born oout of the faithful servants in his or his cousins mansions- MAJOR IRONY.
b. What is the qualification of HImani or Paras (high schoolers) to inaugerate functions let alone lead the country in future, wudn't it be like our LATe Queen Ash leading the country to ASH?
c. HOw come simple amunities like water, telephone electricity, pitched road reaches only to the gate of a f**king minister, while the neighbour has a tukki to live by?
d.Even in the remote villages/district why is a baun or thakuri elected as the district mayors - doean't the king belive in bhote limbu, newars leadint he country right?
e.why does schools including st. xaviers and mary's admit kids of only upper middle to upper class family? What are these schools teaching- rotten snobbishness??
there are more instance like king marrying off his daughter to a playboy thakuri instead of a decent intelligent magar or zyapu- you might go insane....

2.are you blind - so much speeded up the post panchyat era - the jantas got good standardized colleges, there were business sprouting effortleeslyf rom airlines to the dairy queens, in four years..in ten years it wud have been a bloom hong kong had not the king infested the maoists in people's minds..MAOIST IS A FEAR TACTIC that king is using to scare wimps like you. You shud understand politics better by now.

3.here you are little confused - a person who cannot protect his own family - what makes you think will make the homes in nepal secure-- if you earn under the table the king forgets, if you make avg -sustainbale income - that s ok, if you do really well- the king takes a royalty - if you become very popular- the king kills you..so understand how it works in nepal...no more to blindliness..

4.rwuwand and arusha has ten parties - and so are the diseases like aids and malnutritions...i wonder the parties have naything to due with the underdevelopment there- afterall all parties were barely putting clothes over their tribal birthday suits- i meant they are strong no and they did fight before as a way of life...
communism - is a extreme form of democracy - monarchy is an extreme of autocracy- when the latter is extreme- the former emerges so is the case with maoist- do you get it honey??The russians were communist while they borke the revolutions..french democrats today are the communists of yesterday, even the democrats in USA were the former communist- read hillary clinton's diary for example- Clinton family were communists-the romans who overthrew ceasar were the starters of democrat commons..i belong to the righteousness of people you can give nay names you like..but a liberal is a educated democratic communist..i guess its good to be one of that.

I hope that answers most questions..if it doesn't i'm gonna start charging for my lectres...hehheheheh..no go ahead..arguments are constructively healthy activity..

hushhappy,

great answers. i have to admit that i learned a lot. thanks for taking your time to answer.

poonte bro ko answer ni herau aaba, then we would continue with this, huncha?

isolated,

You know how late I went to bed last night (morning!). I just got up without a desired rest and have many things to attend to for the rally tomorrow. I am sure you will pardon me until Monday to address some of your very valid concerns/questions, which would take a lot of thought and time to respond sensibly.

For now, I just would like to make a quick comment on an aspect that bothers me the most about some royalists, particularly the likes of Lokman.

You see, every one of us think OUR respective ideas are the best. That's human nature. I have my own set of beliefs and ideas that I think make the most sense, so do you royalists, and so do the Maoist barbarians, notwithstanding the fact that perhaps every one of 26 millions Nepalis do the same.

As proponents of democracy, we are simply suggesting that let the platform for healthy debates and constructive arguments, i.e., DEMOCRACY, be left intact so that we can go on endlessly debating whose ideas -- INCLUDING YOURS -- work the best. Your camp has chosen to deny that platform at all, and choose to promote your ideas without a fair play. While we suggest let's be open to free and fair debates, you choose to shut the mouths of any one who disagrees with you.Now, who holds akin to obstinacy should be obvious.

Let's use an analogy of a football game. You have your team, and we have ours. We both claim our respective teams can play better than the other. We say, fair enough, let's go to the field and play a free and fair game and see who wins. You, on the other hand, deny everyone who plays differently than you'd want an access to the field all together.

Football field = democratic platform.

Think.