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Posted on 07-26-06 10:16 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I still remember morning of September 11, 2001 when CNN repeatedly broadcasted the plane striking the twin towers. The TV was on all day and same clip was repeated again and again. My two year old nephew was watching the TV though unnoticed. The affect of 911 remained as an inerasable image in kid. He was repeating the events “mama plane hit” he was repeating for months.

This was the example of the violence and it’s after affect, just by watching the violence of such degree on TV. Imagine you are victim of such violence. You or your relative was inside the twin towers, train, bus or plane .What would you feel? How would you feel? Did you deserve death burning in the building like that? Did the innocent people deserved to be blasted into pieces???

The violence is the strength of the terrorist with out that they are nothing. It is the fear game they play. Was their so much strength on their belief had they had enough convincing power would they be in the other side of the fence?

There has been a lot of confusion between freedom fighters and terrorist.
Though they are both trying to achieve social, political and religious change, their methods are clearly different. Often the later one uses intimidation and fear to convince people at the gun point that their demands are legitimate.

Often the Terrorist are considered freedom fighters by their believers, who believe in violence .They are self proclaimed freedom fighters. The objective and goal are so dear to them that they forget the humanity, compassion and moral. Anything that comes between them and their goal is immoral and only their goal is moral. Even if ,I am stressing even if ,their demands might be some rational ,their irrational method , make their demand more ilegitimate.Most of the time these terrorist use this kind of method of violence to come to power as they know that without gun they are nothing and their demands holds no significance or legitimate to the common masses. They use the tactics of divide and rule. They would pick of fight in such issues like religion, caste, and politics.

The philosophy behind terrorist organization and member are blinded by their one belief .they do not consider any thing beside their purpose any value. A proverb reminds me “mero goru ko sorahai takka” .They often become violent stubborn.

Can we put Parchanda or Osama in place of Gandhi, Mandela or Dalai Lama?
Can we say Osama and Prachanda belong to same category as Mandela, lama or Gandhi?
See the method (peace), see the cause (freedom of country), these great leaders, freedom fighters Gandhi, Mandela and Lama made themselves heard. They didn’t use intimidation.
To make people hear these terrorists (insane people) not only destroy their life but also innocent lives of many. Their act not only leaves physical damage but also psychological.

Most of the terrorist organization is driven by some people who want to be in power. The whole power game in controlled by violent game. These selfish people in their dream of overpowering people become so blind that they do not consider other people opinion an opinion. Most of them do not believe in democracy of fighting against one. Such is the case of Muslim terrorist organization and Maoists.
Here some people consider Maoist freedom fighter; these people are perfect example of supporters of terrorism, which kind I have already mentioned before. The distuction, the loss of life is no way justification to satisfy their political demands. Just like I mentioned above , intimidation, at gun point, running in the signal of wanna be in power people is running the communist party of Nepal Maoist. After losing faith in people and democracy they opted the method of violence to put their demands .Their method makes them terrorist not their demands!!!!!!!

Is killing innocent lives justification for their demands?
Is destroying country’s infrastructure helped any Nepalese?
Is crippling economy helped poor Nepali to come above poverty?

Yet, they are self proclaimed freedom fighters working for nepali.And followers of them believe it. That is the ability of terrorist they somehow brainwash people so much they forget moral, rationality and jump in the cause of some selfish people.

Spinning your brain: There is difference between freedom fighter and terrorist. Terrorist lose their moral values, ethics and blinded by their cause but freedom fighter are always on the right side, they do the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted on 07-26-06 10:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Let me add some:

if say nepal was still under rana regime, "would shukrajshrasti be a martyr or a terrorist?"

maoists who died in last 10 years, "would they be tagged as martyrs or terrorists, if tomorrow, maoists come to the government by majority and rule nepal?"

I think there is a very thin line inbetween, when you define a terrorism and a revolution.

food for thought.

Loote
 
Posted on 07-26-06 10:38 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Did Surkraraj bombed innocent people?were they violent enough????look at the cause n method.

Same way now do you consider OSAMA bin laden ,matryr???
food for thought.

I already said , for the tactics of terrorism and the people who believe in it!!!
 
Posted on 07-26-06 10:55 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well... I wish it was a perfect world......

 
Posted on 07-26-06 11:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IMI, nice job writing that ariticle and replying to the other comment of loote.

This reminds me of a saying, " everyone is born as a human, but not every human is a humane".
 
Posted on 07-26-06 11:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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One group's freedom fighter is another group's terrorist.
 
Posted on 07-26-06 11:06 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I AGREE WITH MANSION...SOME DESERVE DEATH.
 
Posted on 07-26-06 11:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ImU,

hope you have not gone for sleep. i went out so could not reply earlier hehe...

okay

terrrorism
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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments

Source: dictionary.com :P

sorry i had to go this much technical coz there are certain things that have to be understood when we say terrorism.

Hence for ranas--Shukraraj WAS a terrorist....would have been still, if we had not gotten freedom from them.

WHat made him a martyr????

coz we knew that ranas were ruling over us, curbing our rights to speak against them and form government of our choice of people.

Osama bin laden IS a terrorist for america and rest of the world EXCLUDING his own group and may be afghhanistan and Iraq who will say "BRAVO!!! he surely kicked some american ass, coz they were acting too smart bumping into each and everybody's case and trying to prove their superiority".

Don't be surprised if tomorrrow ( i am just assuming), all middle east rise against US and invade them. Bush may well come in same coterie as Osama is today.

Let's try to look upon things on their entirety...

Loote
 
Posted on 07-27-06 10:26 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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loote sathi,
hahaha..after all the article you taught me defination of terrorism.Thank you:)
well, i can easily say that your questions answers are already there in the
article but anything for you.:)
OK here is what i have to tell you:
lets not care who thinks who is what ,just see who does what and how.Are u getting me.i know
you are smart enough.
Ok about another point.Who cares what osama means to USA or Afagani tribe.
what does he mean to you is what matters.You may say he doesn't mean
any thing to me.Ok fine, then would he mean anything to of his act ,if your
loved ones was one of the victim!!!(i am not wishing that i am trying to
tell you what has innocent people has to do with it)

This world is not heaven but terrorist does make it hell!!!

Do you know Gandhi was not considered as terrorist neither mandela!!!
can you compare and put in the same catergory to prachanda or osama?

i already wrote ,if they had enough convincing power they wouldn't be in other
side.
Difference might not be cause ,the difference is method!!!!!!!!

To my lovely 5 year old sajahuser,
Do u know my 4 year old nephew is smarter than you?heheheh
this is how u write u comment:
u see my name,u see the topic and your reply is ready!!!
When will you learn to read????????????????
good news for you:
Admission open in LKG in mahan Prachanda kintergarden.
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Posted on 07-27-06 1:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ImU,
haha....good points...but you are missing something from the gist :P :P

see terrorism does not have to be mass murdering and bombing et. al. if i kidnap you and do nothing but play cards with you and drink corona hehe...but phone your parents/gf whoever and tell them that i have kidnapped your beloved then that's a terrorism albeit for a small sect of the society.

bhagat singh, the freedom fighter, stood against the then british government in india and fought against them..he DID kill some of the police officials by himself. now that, even after killing, is a revolution and not terrorism.

do you think innocents did not get killed in india's fight for freedom?
do you think only culprits were murdered?
do you think normal lives did not get jeopardized?

Maoists revolutions is a terrorism for most people's dictionary. if they come tomorrow in the governement and do good especially with the social disparity thing, then they may well be heros of the nation. and all maoists who died in the last 10 years will be declared as martyrs and NOT terrorists even after the known fact that they DID kill innocents.

ditto for Osama and Bush....

Loote
 
Posted on 07-27-06 1:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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If the method was sole intimidation India wouldn't have got independence so quickly.It was the strength of the masses which brought change.Had maoist been able to at least show that much support in KTM as in jandalon II , the maoist wouldn't be considered terrorist would they?????

Again i am saying forget who says what to whom.what matters is what you think?The police killed and some incidents are your trying to justify the cause.Well u may be i never said you can't but i am just talking about the method!!!
when you travelling to go to work in the morning and some body bombs the trains!!!
you justifying that as greater good!!!!!!
well dude i just want to understand this there is difference and there will always be difference between freedom fighters and terrorist!!!

even if maoist comes to power , do you think i will call them freedom fighters.NO never!!!
It is what i believe.But remember Even british considers Indian freedom fighters as freedom fighters..see the difference!!

again , it doesn't matter who says what !!it matters what you think!!!!i have given several example .why ones freedom fighter can be one terrorist not denying!!for the freedom fight killing 5000 lives in US 911 was nothing ,i assume u believe in that.

I also assume that you do not believe that bombing of train in bombay, bombing of bus in nepal, plain hitting twin towers is not terrorism in your dictionary.It is freedom fight!!!
Good luck !!!
 
Posted on 07-27-06 1:31 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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hey sorry, if i was kind of rude!!!just got little senti kya:)
still has too much to do..take care bro..i have nothing against your beliefs!
 
Posted on 07-27-06 1:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Osama's way to seek freedom could be different than my way of seeking freedom but he is as much of a freedom fighter to Muslims as Che Guevera was to South Americans.
 
Posted on 07-27-06 2:28 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sidster,
foget what the muslim think!!
They think that Israel should be wipped out!!
so lets just forget what they think!!

what matters is what do you think?
Why are you vitimized??you are taking a subway in NYC ,any second there can be bomb blast!!!did that make your life heaven or hell.

If only violence could be solution for everything by now Isreal should have given up!Srilanka should have given up!India should have given up!!

You know what i believe ..China will give up Tibet ,sooner or later!!!Dalai lama didn't needed terrorism to get support from around the world.Wouldn't he ,can't he opt for easily way violence?????
 
Posted on 07-27-06 2:30 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Imu,
no you are fine. timi rude bha chhainau! trust me...hehe...you are a nice chap and i believe in more than you yourself hehe :P

you wrote:
again , it doesn't matter who says what !!it matters what you think!!!!i have given several example .why ones freedom fighter can be one terrorist not denying!!for the freedom fight killing 5000 lives in US 911 was nothing ,i assume u believe in that.
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well, i am not denying it. and trust me what i said is WHAT I BELIEVE IN. you are pinpointing 911 attack yet again. what about US attack on afghanistan thereafter. do you know how may innocent people died in it? what would you call it? a revolution?

again you are not seeing things on their entirety ImU. and that is the sad part of it. I am not for anyone but i believe in seeing things from all perspectives.

you have a good day at work!

Loote
 
Posted on 07-27-06 3:45 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thanks loote for you nice words:)
I am seeing from there point of view too.As much as you might like to think i am conservative and too the right.I am liberal democrat.I do not agree bombing Iraq is the solution but you need to see this:HATE ONLY GENERATES HATE!!VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION!!OTHERS WILL TREAT YOU IN THE SAME WAY YOU TREAT THEM!!!

i already said what was the strength of people in jandalon II .Was it maoist or people for democracy that toppled the govt!!!
Do you know maoist should kiss king G feet as his idiotic action brought maoist into this position.

LTTE is freedom fighters who wants to break the country?
Al Quieda is freedom fighters who wants to wipe out all infidels????

for such logic , i have no words to describe..

Just remember ,for every action there is always equal and opposite reaction!
 
Posted on 07-27-06 3:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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sajha should provide us wages!!!
 
Posted on 07-27-06 4:48 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IMI, I totally agree with you on you point of views about Maoist, LTT(Tamil Tigers), Lashkare-e-Taiba, Osama and Al-Qaeda. But I don’t understand why you left out US or Israel, for that matter, for their good deeds in Iraq and Bruit (Lebanon). Do you consider them any different? If crashing a plane and killing 3000 civilians is an act of terror, what is killing tens of thousands without any cause. You might want to give proper examples when you write another “article,” unless it’s intended for you mom or gf.
 
Posted on 07-27-06 4:56 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Did i ever say, i love violence and agree with US foreign policies??????you read the article but you forgot to read the other posts!!!

The article is intended for who ever wants to read .I gave my opinion ,i gave my examples .you have full rights to put you opinion.I am not wining award or presenting paper to english teacher with this article before briinging my sis and mother into this you need to think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you think US and Israel is terrorist say why you think Isreal is terrorist .Am i stopping you??????
Like i said before:HATE ONLY GENERATES HATE!!VIOLENCE IS NOT THE SOLUTION!!OTHERS WILL TREAT YOU IN THE SAME WAY YOU TREAT THEM!!!
 
Posted on 07-27-06 5:02 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Imu,

i have nothing against your way of viewing things. but you are very adamant on your stance, which is as much good as worse it is sometimes coz that drives you towards failure by not understading things from other angles/perspectives.

Some view 911 as an incident,--attack of course.
some view it as an AFTERMATH--result of US's policies full of hypocricism.

You are missing on hearing those people who belong to the second category. had US not been oversmart and nosy with middle easts and muslim leagues, may be there would not have been 9/11. US wants to rule in the middle east and at the same time they feign as if they are for human rights, soverignty and other crap stuffs.

Attack on Afghanistan was uncalled for. they just took them as a scapegoat saying that they wanted to seize weapons of mass destruction and wanted a revenge from 9/11 attack. as a matter of fact they had no idea about that but they just wanted to vent their anger over muslims and sadam hussain. they did not even know where Osama was, still don't. All i am saying is, attack on Afghanistan and Iraq were inevitable and US would love to do it even without 9/11 reasons.

As for maoists in Nepal, i don't want to talk too much on this. coz they are yet to be tested. i am postive and believe in that they will come tomorrow and will try to do something good while you willl still be sulking and whining over them saying that "we have a terrorists goverment" ...does not make a rat ass difference. hehe

Loote
 



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