Here is one of the ministers from Jana Morcha Nepal saying that our country does not need a military.

Jana Morcha Nepal (JMN) general secretary Navaraj Subedi on Saturday said that his party was in favour of bringing the strength of the army down to zero over time in keeping with the need to save the resources for other state priorities.
Subedi said that it was the opinion of the party that the resources, which are going towards the maintenance of the army should go to other priority area. He also said that the view has been passed over to the seven party alliance and the rebels.
"We are of the view that the strength of the army should be gradually brought down to zero. If the people of Costa Rica can take such a decision, why cannot we take it?" Subedi queried while speaking at a function in the capital.
He was of the view that Nepal should go for eventual disbandment of the army after signing non-aggression treaty with both India and China. Moreover he was also of the view that JMN has suggested that the nation should go for the concept of "civil defence force" rather than sticking to the army to defend the national borders.

You know I wonder if this Jack ass of a minister has seen our border areas where Indian gangs operate and harm Nepali citizen along with Indian military shrinking Nepal to 1/3 its size by next 30 years. But wait he talk about civilian defense force, now how many civilian defense forces would he put in border areas and guard the civilian. What if there is another uprising like Maoist who would protect civilians, our borders, and take care of the uprising. These ministers can not even tame the Maoists how can they figure out the defense of the country.

Lets me hear some opinion.

The logic is correct. If countries like switzerland and costarica doesnt need Army, Nepal shouldnt need one too. That resources can be used for education and healthcare. Once the maoists problem is taken care of, there is no need of army for Nepal.

So who is going to protect the border and the civilians who live there.

Switzerland is between developed countries, costa rica is next to Panama Canal where huge US cargo ship go through for business with South America and has stable economy so US has strong presence.

We (Nepal) on the other hand has Bihari gangs, politicians as well as common thugs making there living by stealing from a Nepali, moists who will come to power (even though people have easily forgotten the killing of 14,000 Nepali), we don't have stable leadership who will make people feel secure, and finally Nepali people can be more corroupt without having the fear of being overthrown because without national army the corrupt people will be running the show.

you are right sidster we do not need a national army because we Nepali are capable of taking care of ourself because we are Gorkhali so each of us have our khukri, we are not corrupt, we don't have vigilantes, we live in total racial harmony, we help every Nepali in need when there is a national calamities rather then saving our own hides, and the list goes on.

Nepal doesnt have enuff population to fight against india or china. Internal issues can be steeled thru strong laws, strong as in, laws in US and europe with strong law enforcement forces. Given the world politics right now it will be impossible for india or china to take over our country and even if they do we are helpless anyway. So why put so much effort on something that cannot be acomplished?

here is the thing sidster you are thinking of military as challenging another nation, thats not what I am saying. Nepali army is not there to challenge India or China, it is there for security or border and people. If strong laws are to be inforced then why dissolve the institution of an army who has history of its own, rather use them for something productive.

You are right Nepal cannot do anything against any country if they are to be invaded but you know the attitude you have of helpless civilian that the same attitude your civilian forces would have. At least in the army there are some people who are willing to die for the country with civilian forces they will have the same helpless attitude that you do.

We need army because there can be another crazy ass mofo like parchanda ..!!!

nepal shud have army of its own for a reason that if something unpredicted happens something like flood,earthquake or something similar happend will u guys whoever said do not need army be there and help those helpless people. its easy to say that we dont need army simply sittin infront of ur laptop somewhere in USA inside as A C cooled room and sippin pepsi out of a can.be sensible guys.of course we can use army in some development work like construction of development infrastructure. see what american troops did during the days of hurrican catrina. and if u didnt know it was american army who constructed the road from Port Angeles, Washington, USA -- Ketchikan, Alaska ..........so we can do the same with our army............get them built roads and bridges to remote villlages.........we can do a lot of things with them and at the same time be ready to fight for the nation...............

and by the way how many chickens have u cut so far with ur khhukuri........let alone fighting and protecting the nation...........
.....not to offend u guys but its the reality
peace and jai nepal

We don't need Royal Nepal Army turned into Nepal Army or Maoist Army, because both are loote local gangsters, they can only kill own people, not gut to face bloody Indians.

i think my idea is similar to enigma...
but i would like to say one thing to enigma, do we need 90,000 people to save during floods, or some other natural disaster. I don`t think we need that many. So, why not reduce to a smaller number.

we dont need nepal army
we dont need
maoist,corrupt netas

Chuparustam you are telling me that in case there is a major desaster like a big earthquake in Kathmandu, or someone like Prachanda comes along again to challenge the government 30 thousand army would do. You would need trained doctors, engineers, combatant soldiers, among other things. This can also be employment generating if managed properly. You guys are thinking of short term not long term effects.

Kathmandu_np you are right in saying that but here is the thing most of these army men are civilians being, they have same attitude as you and me so unless we change they won't change for better. These army men or as a matter of fact anyone can train to do anything but because we have corrupt society and old leaders who think of Nepal being weak as themselves, we can't get anywhere. We need young and visionary leader which unfortunately we won't see.

let me put my idea about the army,
In nepal we have 90 thousand army men. The people of Nepal feed these army men. But feeding 90 thousand men is a big thing~.

The 90 thousand army men are not productive. They are not doing some work that would gain some profit to the nation. Instead they get the salary from the government. Where does the money come from? The tax of common people. May be some part of it as donation from the developed nations but that is supposed for the people of Nepal. Of course, some of the army men are enrolled in british gurkha n indian army which is a good source of foreign income. But those number very few. The large group is there in the barracks in Nepal. What do they do?? Just combat practise. Would that bring any money to Nepal. a big NO!

Now think carefully. In one hand we are losing a large number of youth in military training. Those youth can be utilised to make doctors and engineers to build our nation. On the other hand, a large part of the budget is used for feeding the military. The money could have been used for the development.

One might argue that there are engineers and doctors in military but still they also number very few. Besides, I have never heard the military engineers involved in any development works. About the doctors, the chauni hospital is there. I dont know whether normal people can get their health check up there or not~ So, I cant say anything about the doctors. But still a BIG number of army is there doing combat practise which is not doing any good for Nepal.

A big military force is good only for the dictators. One thing a large part of youth are involved in something so that they dont have time to think of whats right and whats wrong. Other thing, they have a loyal army.

And one more thing in case of a disaster, army men prove to be a good human source. But it doesnt have to be army alone. The local people, students, professionals, etc should work together for the sake of humanity.

People keeping bringing prachanda and his army, the reason for keeping such a huge unproductive army. I say, army is necessary rt now but once the peace is established, and maoists are disarmed there is no need of army that big in nepal. Again, once the maoists problem is TAKEN CARE OF. Army budget can be used to eradicate poverty in nepal. That resource can me made available to locals for small businesses to build our economic infrastructure.

Army can be loyal, can be used in rescue mission in case of disaster, and is also a historic symbol for nepal but we cannot AFFORD to keep the army of that size. We need education, healthcare, and economic prosperity more than keeping our fancy army.

The growth in the number of army and expenses was due to to maoists.
If it wasn't of that then there wasn't too much expenses as people might think.

i see conspiracy from the maoists side when they say we don't need army.It is not some royals army it is nepalese people army.

If army was so useless why usa or any country needs more than suffcient army.USA infact do not even need big fleet.Just couple of push of buttons on their nuclear arsenals is suffcient enough right?then why they are keeping it.

Just think this way, at least we are employing 90k people .what are they going to do without it.Can anybody generate 90k jobs in years with equal paying jobs.If so then people won't join army .you don't have to worry about it!!!!

My point exactly Imi. Chuparustam and sidster tell the army trained 90k people take some of them out and leave them without a job then what do you think these people are going to do for survival. They are going to be another group of thugs with military training.

As far as training the youth as doctors and engineers most of these people would leave the country and never show their face. With being in military and getting the education throgh that would make people loyal to country as well as become doctors and engineers. Also you guys talk if the education system of Nepal is like USA. Do you guys know how much it takes for education in Nepal? I dont think so.

Tell me chuparustam you tell that army is not needed for helping people right and you say local people, students, professionals can help. Then tell me how many students have helped Nepal as of now. Tell me how many local people have come out to help their neighbor. Nepali people are not in place to help each other out. This is not a society that helps base on how much their people suffer. We don't care about each other at all. We are not western countries.

Also when disaster strikes it strikes all at one. For example you know if there was a major earthquake to hit Nepal at least 35000 poeple would die and 5 times as many wounded. Now tell how many of these people are local people going to help and build temporary shelter for these people. Are you going to worry about yourself and your family or because have a humanity within you, you will desert your family and help people in need instead. Also what if the country goes through lets say a mojor earthquake, robbery, ethnic fighting, lets say someone like Prachanda comes again all at once. Tell me are your students, professionals, and local going to come out and help or save their own lives.

Again I would like to say that people are rationalizing it based on short term effect and are not looking for long term effect. We don't look for future and make our decision based on rather take what we want and not know the consequeces for it later.

ImI,
U r right. USA needs a bigger army than this and they have been recruiting aggressively as well. U have probably encountered those recruters in Mall parking lot as well. U see the ads on TV about joining army and all. USA definetaly needs more army and the reason for that is for ground intervention . USA doent want to bomb countries, USA wants countries to do what it wants them to do. So for that they need more ppl who can patrol the street and accupy the country. So they need more army not bombs to invade and occupy the world. USA can afford million more army and would hire million more if ppl are willing to join. But thats not the case for Nepal. Nepal doesnt want to occupy any country and cannot defend itself if india or china really wants to take Nepal over.

And for employment, These army can be used in paramillatary force. Some can be used in law enforcements, some can be teachers, some can go on constructions, start their own business and mostly foriegn employment. They can be priortised for foriegn employment. Remember the pay in Army in grass root is not that great and " Rekutes" should be happy to do anything else. Cos Rikeutes life is worse in Nepal, given the social status and the abuse they receive by their senior officers. This will help the economic and employment issue. And also remember that the budget for army is not only salary for the army ppl . ITs the unnecessary weapon they purchase, clothings and attires as well. The money saved from that can be used to create other social goodness that will create more jobs like in education and healthcare.

Tell me sidster then your thought of letting the army go to foreign country for employment is very Nationalistic. It really show your respect for army who did a lot of things for Nepal. You want army of Nepal to go to foreign country and let them work in hotels, subways, indian resuturants. Wow this really does explain a lot.

Let me tell you something sidster do something for your country before you tell all these people what they should or should not do. You are talking for the people whose country you are not living in and do not know what going on.

Lets me guess you solution to trafficking in Nepal. Since we have so many women in Nepal some women being sold to brothel is not big problem since we can't do anything against it. Did you know that there were circus in Nepal's Bara district where the circus owner used Nepalese to perform dangerous act, and guess who is protecting them the local thugs in that district. Guess what police did not have manpower to rescue these people. Do you see yourself helping such people. I did not think so. For protecting agianst women and children trafficking you need military.

Another anology:

So sidster if someone big and strong came and beat you and will keep on doing it for rest of your life, how long before you do something about it? From what you are saying you will let him keep pounding you since you can't do anything against him. Won't file a police report, take him to court, or even find a gun to kill him. That would make you weakest among the food chain and you would be the first one to be extinct. This world is survival of the fittist as you can see and the more weak you make yourself the worst it is.

You know what a surviving person would do they would find weapons, they would make groups, they would do anything and everything to find a solution and adapt to it. That is what the western society is based on.

Nepe,
Dont feed me the crap of nationalism here. Nationalism has nothing to do with number of army personell Nepal wants to keep. But yes i would rather have Rikutes go for foriegn employment, learn few things outside of nepal, and see the world than be a servant for those high class army officers who use them to wash their wife's under garment, use them to take their kids to school and back, use them to grow vegetables in their backyard, and use army to build their lavish houshold.

U keep talking about what army has done to nepal . Please list few good things that army has done to nepal. Pls enlighten us with that. And please dont talk about Bir ghurkhas and all that crap. Gurkhas did nothing for nepal. They benifieted India and UK for nothing for nepal for a national pride. Some brought some foriegn currency in but that is outweighs the fact that 200000 gurkhas who died without knowing that the War was all about.

So ur version of nationalis could be different than my version of nationalism. When i was in Nepal i heard some leader saying" Bhoko Pet ma Rastriya geet gaaindaina" and i like that u know. Nepal needs food, shelter, education, and health care. I would give up those "khokro" nationalist that u intrepret with Army for those basic nepali needs. I think my views are more nationalistic than ur views. So i think i am more nationalistic than u r. But u can keep ur own view for the path to nationalism and i will keep mine. And yea pls dont forget to list things that Nepali Army has done to nepal, may be u know something that i dont know.